Stupid recruiters.

[Alvin Oga]

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Michael T. Halligan wrote:

> What's still escaping me here is... Does anybody actually use these  
> companies?

i got my 2nd job thru a recruiter 25+ yrs ago
i got a okay job back in 95 time frame when *.com was just starting

in my book, hiring companies shhould either have
	- $$$ for running their ads
	- $$$ for the employee they want ( 2x their potential salary )
	- and maybe $$ for the dedicated hr staff to find the match
	
	- shared hr staff ( recruiters ) are usually NOT worth it

- one ez way to get them off your back ..

	- i want $150K or $250K/yr for blah blah ( something you're an
	expert at ) and don't budge and do have a way to verify that
	sum you're getting because the next potential employer might
	want to verify it and offer more to you

	- it usually worked for me ..

	- NEVER give them names of your friends or enemies 

> I've done quite a bit of hiring,
> and I think once I've actually farmed out to a body shop, I've always  
> been able to fill positions (about 30 positions
> at various companies over the past 10 years) through friends and  
> colleagues.

ah .. a friendly headhunter :-) and you probably don't take the 
same 30-50% of their first years salary as your fees

if the hiring company paid those fees, why don't they just simply
pay that same fee tothe employee, even if is vested over 2 or 4 yrs,
as they'd definitely have a happier employee

finding "good people" is not difficult if one knows where to look
and/or who to ask

> 
> The way these recruiters try to fill positions is at best, pathetic ,  
> and at worst, criminal in the United States, and California.
> I literally get 10-20 emails or calls like this per day.  I know that  
> if I get an email for a websphere administrator position
> in timbuktu in the morning, that I'll get 4 more emails, and 2 phone  
> calls by the end of the day.

time for new phone  and new emails
 
	- since the aggrevation and interruptions probably is
	counter productive

> Do people actually encourage these recruiters?

for the statistics that they do, the recruiters just need to make
one sale  year and they still make a killing on the side

c ya
alvin