Cisco moves even more to china.

[richard childers / kg6hac]

It's great to see how political discourse about the job market is 
allowed, or disallowed, on baylisa at baylisa.org, and how "the rules" are 
so quickly forgotten, when it suits those whose plaything this mailing 
list is.

(-:

More seriously, engineers made Cisco, but they allowed control of the 
company to slip out of their hands; either that, or they retired, and 
are no longer engineers, but are, instead, venture capitalists, or board 
members.

Perhaps Cisco owes Silicon Valley something ... much like General Motors 
owed Flint, Michigan something.

On the other hand, maybe the debt has been paid. They bootstrapped 
Silicon Valley to where it is today. Is it their job to continue 
spoon-feeding Silicon Valley's pampered multitudes, ad infinitum? I 
don't think so.

Ultimately, if you don't like it, go start your own company, and add 
some tangible value. My company is developing products for, and 
associations with, the South American and Asian markets. If you aren't, 
that's your loss.

There's always more work to be done than there are hands willing to do 
it; that's a law of human nature.


Regards,

-- richard



Danny Howard wrote:

>> CNN Reports: Cisco is investing 32 Million into China and is training
>> 10's of thousands of Chineese university students in Cisco
>> technology.
>>    
>>
>
>Giving jobs to hard-working, well-educated foreigners who will work for
>less money!  Those bastards!  Don't they know that American technology
>workers need to be able to easily find high-paying jobs!  American
>workers are incapable of dealing with any reality other than this.
>
>As someone who has managed it through the worst of the burst, waiting
>tables, and slinging espresso and ultimately leaving the area to find a
>lower-paying job in Chicago, I find it hard to shed a tear for the
>"economic girly-men" remaining in California.
>
>I will note that being unemployed sure frees up your time to work as a
>political volunteer.  I never knew that Sacramento was so acessible
>until I assisted a consumer group in lobbying against a utility
>bail-out.  Enjoy your powers as a US citizen with free-time.
>
>Cisco doesn't owe the technology community anything beyond decent
>products at competetive prices, and good working conditions for those
>that it employees.  Whether those employees are Chinese or Americans
>makes no difference.
>
>  
>
>> So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your
>> raises and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco
>> trained networking person from China. 
>>    
>>
>
>Uhm, if they are working in China, they don't need H1Bs, nor are the
>"trained networking person(s)" being imported.  The Chinese built the
>railroads that made the California you enjoy today.  Well, they have
>found some more infrastructure to build.  Get your butt down to the
>Promontory Point in time for the party!  Huzzah!
>
>Sincerely,
>-danny
>
>  
>

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