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	If you have no idea what BayLISA is, you should not send mail to us. See our About page. If the service or product you are offering has nothing whatever to do with the computing community and most especially sysadmins..., if your exuberance about how wonderful your product is has ever been countered with a reference to "Spam" and/or singing Vikings from a Monty Python skit..., it's not tolerated here, either. If you feel compelled to explain why you're not "spam", then you should read RFC 2635 (Don't Spew), before putting your foot in your mouth. Violators are dealt with. Repeat offenders may be submitted to the MAPS project.

Our three primary lists each have different policies. Please read them before joining! If you have any questions, please send them to [email protected].

	This is the general mailing list for BayLISA activities. The BayLISA group meets monthly, to discuss topics of interest for administration of sites with more than 100 users and/or computers. We are local to the Silicon Valley and greater San Francisco Bay Area. Outsiders are welcome, but might want to find a SAGE group closer to them. List members are expected to follow good netiquette. This includes a level of maturity expected of people in a common working environment, and a respect for each others' skills and varied experience or software preferences. Members may ask that "hot topics" (AKA potential flame wars) be moderated here, but any list members eager to continue such threads are welcome to jump to the companion list, chat, if there is enough interest. Mail that has characteristics that occasionally imply spam but are not always direct indicators may be held for moderation, in the hope that the signal stays high, and to prevent active spammers from leaping on, posting, and running away again.

	Topics should be similar to the baylisa general list, but the only moderation done here is spam blockage. If you enjoy a rousing discussion on the politics of sysadmin life, you probably want to join this list. If you know a topic is a likely flame war, you might prefer to start the thread here. Do not cross-post between baylisa and chat. You may mention topics on baylisa that exist on chat, but, if so, you must follow the gentler etiquette there.

	Named after the concept of the wheel group in UNIX, the BayLISA Wheels are people who care about how the group functions as an organization. Discussions here usually have a specific purpose such as double-checking speaker contacts, confirming logistics for picking up needed materials or people, etc. The typical member of blw is either a current or past Board member, or at some point in time has helped the Board's normal operations. They may be a member of a current committee to manage a specific task. However, they might simply be someone who is considering joining regular Board meetings or becoming a candidate to elect to the Board, who wants to see some of the inner workings of BayLISA. Members of the baylisa list may post to the blw list, and, for topics concerning BayLISA's operations, this is encouraged — for instance, if a member has found a possible corporate sponsor or speaker and would like the Board to contact the prospect.

	BayLISA offers this mailing list as a service. Anyone may join this list to read traffic regarding jobs, both offering and seeking positions. Related questions or comments should NOT be posted here; they should either be sent directly to the person who mailed, or they should be discussed on the companion list, baylisa-jobs-chat. Policies: We have seen too much abuse of our jobs list, so we filter incoming messages now. If your message does not meet the criteria below, it will not be accepted. If your submission has been refused, please read more carefully next time and stick to the rules! BayLISA has no opinions about your positions or worthiness to be hired, nor any involvement with any recruitment firms. The penalty for ongoing violation of these policies is to be banned from the list. If applicable, offenders will also be reported to mail abuse authorities. Minimum Criteria Only list members may post messages to the list. Please keep messages short and concise. Hint: it's okay to use URLs to reference extra information. Avoid posting more than once or twice a month. Post only offers that are "on topic" for BayLISA. Broadly stated, this means computing, networking, and systems administration. BayLISA is a Silicon Valley and greater San Francisco Bay Area group. Please keep your posts related to our region. Relocations are OK. Jobs that are located elsewhere, but that are from employers who do not wish to relocate their prospective employees, are not. If you have questions about anyone's post, please send them mail, not us, and not the list at large. Not requirements, but will help you avoid getting laughed at and snickered about near the soda cooler: We work with all operating systems here. Expect people with either high skill in their favored OS (handling homogenous sites) or a mixed amount of experience in more than one (handling heterogenous sites). Experts in multiple OS types are rare, and overworked sysadmins are common, so avoid requests for superheroes, or be willing to train someone into one. Use the jargon of our profession correctly. If our readers feel compelled to "get the red pen", they may not want to work with you. HTML-only messages and attachments of various file formats may not be readable by all list members. Consider providing a URL, instead. Due to the presence of many worms on the open Internet, we reserve the right to strip attachments at any time. Job Offers Criteria Companies, recruiters, and individual employers may post. Post only open positions. Do not post general ads or service descriptions. Generic positions are general ads. If you have multiple positions open, group them in a single message, and make sure they are all "on topic" before hitting Send. Job Wanteds Criteria Only individuals seeking placement on their own behalf or clients (in the case of contract/consultancy) may post "I'm available" messages. Mention when you are available to start. If it's two months away, please refrain from posting. Introduce yourself: URLs are good, but a blind URL with no supporting text is bad. You're seeking a computing, networking, or sysadmin job here, so your resumé or curriculum vitae should reflect this.

	The companion list to baylisa-jobs. Any jobs-related discussion for work in the sysadmin field, specifically people in the Silicon Valley and greater San Francisco Bay Area, may be brought up here. People are, however, expected to be polite; do not post anything libelous, nor be mean to job seekers and recruiters here. You may be asked to move "hot topics" AKA potential flame wars to the more politically charged chat list. You may wish to move topics that stray away from job-seeking matters to the more general baylisa list, as they might be of interest even to employed network admins who aren't seeking more colleagues yet.

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